When I was a Witness back in the 1970s Babylon the Great had already fallen. It fell in 1919. Can anyone cite references to when that changed to being a future event?
Ultimate Axiom
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BABYLON THE GREAT IS NOT FALLING ANYMORE? (NEW LIGHT FROM THE ANNUAL MEETING)
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/rsbfa_7lqv4?si=muuxmgtll1n1ifad.
the watchtower’s babylon the great: a shrinking reality?.
so this latest annual meeting introduced a new idea about babylon the great, and here is the part from geoffrey jackson's talk we real need to dig in and consider it's ramifications..... so you’ve got to hand it to them; they know how to keep things interesting with their ever-evolving interpretations and, of course, those classic "adjustments" in understanding.
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Would you be able to survive a three day Assembly?
by RULES & REGULATIONS inthe last assembly i attended was over 10 years ago.
the monotone speakers, boring talks, uncomfortable seats, long prayers and nodding off after the lunch break did me in.
i survived the morning sessions, but the afternoon sessions were brutal.
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The last one I attended was Twickenham 1980 and I can't remember anything about it, not even how many days it was. I also don't remember encountering any 12-13 minute closing prayers, butI I was once told that assemblies were a big money spinner for the organization, revenues from food, donations, books etc made them very profitable. Obviously not so anymore as even "International Conventions" are now only three days instead of anything from five to eight back in the day. What has made them so unprofitable now?.
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The Hubris of the Governing Body
by cofty init's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.
they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.
but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.
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Punk, you've got a typo for your first citation, it should be the KM Sept 2007 p.3.
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The Hubris of the Governing Body
by cofty init's difficult to comprehend how arrogant the members of the governing body must be to sanction much of the content that appears in their literature.
they identify themselves as the 'faithful and discreet slave' - that alone requires an astonishing degree of pride.
but what is even more amazing - arguably to the level of insanity - is the way they then use that phrase to elevate themselves above the rest of the organisation.
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There must be thousands of examples one could use this method on - here are just a few more;
The point is that Christians have implicit trust in their heavenly Father; they do not question what he tells them through his written Word and organization. (WT 1974 Jul 15 p.441)
The point is that you have implicit trust in your heavenly Father; you do not question what he tells you through his written Word and me.
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The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah. (WT 2010 Sept 15 p.13)
I publish spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not from me but from Jehovah.
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The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ. (WT 2010 Sept 15 p.23)
The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following my lead they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.
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Well, a person who lacks confidence that the end is near might start to make alternate arrangements, so to speak, in case things do not work out as Jehovah said they would. (WT 2012 Sept 15 p.22)
Well, a person who lacks confidence that the end is near might start to make alternate arrangements, so to speak, in case things do not work out as I said they would.
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1936 "Riches"- How Many Versions Were There?
by Atlantis inatlantis:.
how many versions of the book called riches were there?.
that was a project jerome was working on, so we will give him credit for this information.. .
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My copy has the phonograph. However. while it is marked as page 355, the picture appears between pages 348 and 351, with text on pages 355 and 356.
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Weight Loss and Insulin Control
by cofty inask most fitness coaches, nutritionists or health professionals and they will tell you that weight control is about calories in versus calories out (cico).
after all, you can’t ignore the laws of thermodynamics!.
the flaw in this simplistic reasoning ought to be obvious; a human body and a steam engine are two different things.. our bodies have evolved complex systems of control and feedback loops in order to maintain a steady interior environment, also known as homeostasis.
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One of the reasons the whole truth about diets and obesity is so hard to find is because the dieting industry is worth billions, and the last thing the latest fad diet gurus want is for weight control to be made simple. I recommend this guy, even if some of it differs from Cofty's analysis.
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Would You Like To Be God?
by Ultimate Axiom inwe know there are a few on this forum who think they are, but consider this for a while.
if you are god, you are omniscient, therefore you have nothing to learn.
nothing to research, investigate or explore as there is nothing you don’t already know.
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That sounds like the worst possible fate.
Perhaps, but it was God’s fate for an infinite number of years. And don’t forget he was all on his own while knowing everything for that infinite number of years – no lady, no pizzas, no coffee, no ice cream, not a single atom, just himself and his thoughts. For infinity! And if he was content with that life, why start creating anything? Especially as PP has pointed out, he’s not very good at it. Half is angels have become demons, and his human creation is driven by greed and selfishness, and produces no end of sadistic deviants. I find it very hard to take seriously the idea of a god with no beginning or end when you think about what than actually means.
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Why isn't this forum growing like reddit exjw??
by nowwhat? inadmittedly it 90% crap over there but still they are up to 80k in subscribers.
over here it's the same half dozen or so that posts something, including myself.
why is that?.
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I haven't found it again but it was fascinating to read at the time.
TonusOH, Is this the thread you are referring to?
It was this thread that brought me here, although I haven't seen anything quite like it since. It would be invaluable if a similar thread could be produced about life in Warwick.
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Jehovah's Witnesses: remembering the weird and wacky!
by Vanderhoven7 indo you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?
let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.
- venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.
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But out of curiosity, could you document who before Russell taught 1914.
In 1823 an English Adventist, John Aquila Brown, wrote ‘The Even-Tide’, a book in which he stated that the ‘seven times’ of Daniel 4 should be taken as ‘a year for a day’ and were thus prophetic of 2,520 years, running (according to him) from the beginning of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign in 604 BC to 1917 AD. Calculating that the Gentile Times would end in 1914 was the work of Second Adventist N H Barbour in 1875. Russell adopted this (as well as the years 1874 and 1878) into his own biblical chronology the following year, and while all other WT dates have been abandoned, 1914 remains – ironic really since it didn’t originate with the WT in the first place.
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What are some of the weird teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, past and present?
by Vanderhoven7 ini just picked up a few from mark jones as follows:.
i see is that the vast majority of jws don't seem to understand what their religion actually teaches.. the more controversial or embarrassing doctrine - although still official doctrine that has never been rescinded - is just not talked about anymore in the magazines.
there are dinosaurs living on venus.https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/2fowhx/dinosaurs_on_venus/.
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Carla - the air baths were in Rutherford's time. I wouldn't actually call this a teaching. Teachings were in their books and The Watchtower, these crazy suggestions came in from the rank and file and appeared regularly in the Golden Age and Consolation. BTW for those who might find this ironic, that dinosaur speculation was in the April 1st magazine.